Subject: Lead Guitar
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:58:21 -0700
I have been trying to learn a little more about lead guitar which has led me
to some books on scales and theory. Im enjoying the theory part a lot.
Three books im working from are Guitar Fretboard Workshop, Total Scales and
Applications and Fretboard Logic. One thing that has clicked for me is how
the 5 root positions all connect. If someone had told me to find every Ab
note on the fingerboard it would have taken me 5 minutes. Now it's like 5
seconds. I would like to learn all the note names. Some camps think you
dont need to do that and some do. For me I think it helps. This is my
question. If you know how to move intervals across the strings, do you
really need to know scale "patterns"?
Thomas
to some books on scales and theory. Im enjoying the theory part a lot.
Three books im working from are Guitar Fretboard Workshop, Total Scales and
Applications and Fretboard Logic. One thing that has clicked for me is how
the 5 root positions all connect. If someone had told me to find every Ab
note on the fingerboard it would have taken me 5 minutes. Now it's like 5
seconds. I would like to learn all the note names. Some camps think you
dont need to do that and some do. For me I think it helps. This is my
question. If you know how to move intervals across the strings, do you
really need to know scale "patterns"?
Thomas
Subject: Re: Lead Guitar
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:27:10 GMT
Thomas wrote:
> I have been trying to learn a little more about lead guitar which has
> led me to some books on scales and theory. Im enjoying the theory part
> a lot. Three books im working from are Guitar Fretboard Workshop, Total
> Scales and Applications and Fretboard Logic. One thing that has clicked
> for me is how the 5 root positions all connect. If someone had told me
> to find every Ab note on the fingerboard it would have taken me 5
> minutes. Now it's like 5 seconds. I would like to learn all the note
> names. Some camps think you dont need to do that and some do. For me I
> think it helps. This is my question. If you know how to move intervals
> across the strings, do you really need to know scale "patterns"?
>
> Thomas
Something I did that was a great exercise in teaching myself was to take
all of the individual patterns for all of the modes of the 8 and 5 note
scales and chart them end to end from the nut to the 12th fret in
Powerpoint for myself (both for six string guitar and four string bass).
Not only does that give you a set of charts that you can instantly
understand, it's a good way to get the positions and relationships
between them memorized. After that, all I had to do was to think of the
neck as a sliding "bracelet" of sorts.
Personally, what I've found is that once I had the 1st, 2nd, and 5th
positions memorized and became able to modulate them up and down the
fretboard the other two just sort of fell out of my fingers as I began
to be able to hear and predict intervals of a given scale - I only
bothered to learn and memorize note names and where they are on the 6th
and 5th strings at first, but as I gained an ear for intervals I learned
to be able to quickly identify any note on the fretboard by being able
to locate and identify it by it's separation in octave.
Which is all well and good for purposes for carrying on a conversation
(you need to be able to communicate), but for me personally playing, yes
- knowing the positional patterns and relationships between them are far
more important than knowing or thinking in terms of note names. Far
more important, because I play mainly by looking at the neck in
combination with my ear.
Everyone learns and memorizes things differently, that's just how I did
it. Do what works for you and allows you to be able to play what you
want to play. That's really all that counts.
--
- Rufus
> I have been trying to learn a little more about lead guitar which has
> led me to some books on scales and theory. Im enjoying the theory part
> a lot. Three books im working from are Guitar Fretboard Workshop, Total
> Scales and Applications and Fretboard Logic. One thing that has clicked
> for me is how the 5 root positions all connect. If someone had told me
> to find every Ab note on the fingerboard it would have taken me 5
> minutes. Now it's like 5 seconds. I would like to learn all the note
> names. Some camps think you dont need to do that and some do. For me I
> think it helps. This is my question. If you know how to move intervals
> across the strings, do you really need to know scale "patterns"?
>
> Thomas
Something I did that was a great exercise in teaching myself was to take
all of the individual patterns for all of the modes of the 8 and 5 note
scales and chart them end to end from the nut to the 12th fret in
Powerpoint for myself (both for six string guitar and four string bass).
Not only does that give you a set of charts that you can instantly
understand, it's a good way to get the positions and relationships
between them memorized. After that, all I had to do was to think of the
neck as a sliding "bracelet" of sorts.
Personally, what I've found is that once I had the 1st, 2nd, and 5th
positions memorized and became able to modulate them up and down the
fretboard the other two just sort of fell out of my fingers as I began
to be able to hear and predict intervals of a given scale - I only
bothered to learn and memorize note names and where they are on the 6th
and 5th strings at first, but as I gained an ear for intervals I learned
to be able to quickly identify any note on the fretboard by being able
to locate and identify it by it's separation in octave.
Which is all well and good for purposes for carrying on a conversation
(you need to be able to communicate), but for me personally playing, yes
- knowing the positional patterns and relationships between them are far
more important than knowing or thinking in terms of note names. Far
more important, because I play mainly by looking at the neck in
combination with my ear.
Everyone learns and memorizes things differently, that's just how I did
it. Do what works for you and allows you to be able to play what you
want to play. That's really all that counts.
--
- Rufus
Subject: Re: Lead Guitar
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:17:56 -0700
"Rufus" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:2ad5k.155502$TT4.118399@attbi_s22...
> Thomas wrote:
>> I have been trying to learn a little more about lead guitar which has led
>> me to some books on scales and theory. Im enjoying the theory part a
>> lot. Three books im working from are Guitar Fretboard Workshop, Total
>> Scales and Applications and Fretboard Logic. One thing that has clicked
>> for me is how the 5 root positions all connect. If someone had told me
>> to find every Ab note on the fingerboard it would have taken me 5
>> minutes. Now it's like 5 seconds. I would like to learn all the note
>> names. Some camps think you dont need to do that and some do. For me I
>> think it helps. This is my question. If you know how to move intervals
>> across the strings, do you really need to know scale "patterns"?
>>
>> Thomas
>
> Something I did that was a great exercise in teaching myself was to take
> all of the individual patterns for all of the modes of the 8 and 5 note
> scales and chart them end to end from the nut to the 12th fret in
> Powerpoint for myself (both for six string guitar and four string bass).
> Not only does that give you a set of charts that you can instantly
> understand, it's a good way to get the positions and relationships between
> them memorized. After that, all I had to do was to think of the neck as a
> sliding "bracelet" of sorts.
>
> Personally, what I've found is that once I had the 1st, 2nd, and 5th
> positions memorized and became able to modulate them up and down the
> fretboard the other two just sort of fell out of my fingers as I began to
> be able to hear and predict intervals of a given scale - I only bothered
> to learn and memorize note names and where they are on the 6th and 5th
> strings at first, but as I gained an ear for intervals I learned to be
> able to quickly identify any note on the fretboard by being able to locate
> and identify it by it's separation in octave.
>
> Which is all well and good for purposes for carrying on a conversation
> (you need to be able to communicate), but for me personally playing, yes -
> knowing the positional patterns and relationships between them are far
> more important than knowing or thinking in terms of note names. Far more
> important, because I play mainly by looking at the neck in combination
> with my ear.
>
> Everyone learns and memorizes things differently, that's just how I did
> it. Do what works for you and allows you to be able to play what you want
> to play. That's really all that counts.
>
> --
> - Rufus
Thats a good tip Rufus and I have started doing that. Just putting them on
paper. I actually have a scale and chord program that will show you a
picture of the fretboard with any scale combo or whatever you want and you
can print it. I think I will use that. Thanks.
Thomas